GDT #56: Pens @ Canucks

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GDT #56: Pens @ Canucks

Postby MR25 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:17 am

Also, I know - graphically (?) - Letang looks at fault for that Miller shorthanded goal...but that's a tough play all around. Letang actually is going to win the puck battle, but Miller knocks it down with almost a high stick behind Letang's back and it lands perfectly for him.

Ideally, Lars Eller identifies that there's a potential problem brewing there and helps to provide some support.

That's all well and good, but you know people would've been all over EK for it if the roles were reversed.

There's about 8 other whipping boys that deserve the hate EK65 has been getting. He's one of maybe 4 guys that's been keeping the season afloat. I just don't get the constant hate.

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:22 am

I'm not "people"...I gave EK65 a B-ish grade during a prompt a few weeks ago...

EK65 is a bit of a culture shock because of his style...so I get it. But yeah, he's been really good the last couple months especially.

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GDT #56: Pens @ Canucks

Postby nocera » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:28 am

That dangle at the blue line prior to the OT goal is exactly what I expected when we got EK. It could go very wrong but when it goes right, it’s gorgeous.

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Postby MR25 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:33 am

I'm not "people"...I gave EK65 a B-ish grade during a prompt a few weeks ago...

EK65 is a bit of a culture shock because of his style...so I get it. But yeah, he's been really good the last couple months especially.

I know, wasn't directed at you necessarily but I felt like your post was a half-ish response to my observation of the lack of vitriol directed toward Letang for the play given what would've happened had it been EK.

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Postby King Colby » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:37 pm

That dangle at the blue line prior to the OT goal is exactly what I expected when we got EK. It could go very wrong but when it goes right, it’s gorgeous.
When it goes wrong everyone says he sucks...

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Postby nocera » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:44 pm

That dangle at the blue line prior to the OT goal is exactly what I expected when we got EK. It could go very wrong but when it goes right, it’s gorgeous.
When it goes wrong everyone says he sucks...
Not as much as that no good, overrated, stroke having, slap passing, no Norris winning, piece of human garbage Letang.

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Postby MR25 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:11 pm

That's probably more a dig at dodint, but that's not what I'm implying at all. Just pointing out the double standard they seem to get from a few people here.

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Postby dodint » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:18 pm

Dig or not, I just finished.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:28 pm

Gotta say I think I really felt like we had something with the bottom six last night. Which is funny because now we have no top six

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:50 pm

I have seen greatness in EK’s play the last month or so that I hadn’t really seen prior. Not that he wasn’t good but his contribution was more muted and his defects defensively were more glaring. But it definitely feels like that’s shifted

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Postby Gaucho » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:54 pm

Yes.

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:08 pm

I won't write a whole dissertation on it...but this could be an example unfolding where it's not always easy, it's not always automatic to be able to harness or utilize or maximize an elite talent. Not dissimilarly, not every single player that plays with Crosby is automatically a 40 goal scorer...

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Postby Gaucho » Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:31 pm

Which is why we ought to keep Jake.

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:13 pm

Guentzel is Guentzel. But if we acquire [20 year old prospect] it could be anything, even Guentzel.

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Postby Gaucho » Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:20 pm

Thank you for making my case.

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Postby King Colby » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:00 pm

By that logic we should just sign guentzel forever since he will always be guentzel

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GDT #56: Pens @ Canucks

Postby skullman80 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:09 pm

Keeping Jake is stupid. Really stupid. You have a team that is barely a playoff team with nothing in the system and is old as dirt.

You have a chance to get younger and get either draft capital or younger nhl ready players or both. You have to do it. I love Jake but he is our biggest opportunity to retool and get younger. He has to go.

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Postby skullman80 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:13 pm

The above is also JMO and I’m sometimes an idiot.

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Postby Gaucho » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:14 pm

:lol: :thumb:

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Postby shoeshine boy » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:21 pm

I have been quite critical of EK65 and I make no apologies for it. Defensively, he’s a black hole. Yes, I know he’s an offensive defenseman but sometimes his risks are horrible. Since moving away from Graves, it’s been better.

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Postby King Colby » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:48 pm

Speaking of, how does PO Joseph, who is by and large a pretty good skater, get beat wide so often

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:39 pm

That's a really good question. It's likely his mental processor. You know the old "he can't walk and chew gum at the same time" insult? That's probably the case here. His foot churn was probably carrying him out of plays and causing its own issues, so as a pro, they're probably asking him to calm down...and with him, it's probably interpreted as quieting his feet.(Funny enough, his brother Mathieu...is all foot churn and wide speed and little else - but as a winger, it has a place in the NHL).

Really, you'd like for a player whose best asset is skating (to be on another team, if I'm GM) to have the mental processor and anticipation ability to either J-cut up and/or surf to disrupt or absorb rushes more efficiently. Joseph isn't confident or competent enough to do that...so his process is: eat, recover...eat, recover...eat, recover...it's the defenseman equivalent of "puke and rally"...

Unfortunately, I don't have infinite time to find instances where P.U. gets beat wide...but here's an example of his process of eat/recover.

You can watch the video here, you can see my video timing in the following screen caps...
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Dylan Larkin has the puck off of a sudden-ish change situation in the NZ. It's tough to absorb these sometimes, but this one starts deep in the gutter. So, it shouldn't be hard to diffuse this given the situation. He has partner support, he has back pressure, and the lead rush is the initial puck carrier...this shouldn't be a good play for Detroit, this shouldn't turn into any sort of rush chance. Let's see...

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Hooray! P.O. is gonna shut this **** right down. I always told my players, "plays that start in the gutter, die in the gutter". What the hell is DET71 gonna do here. He's a whole zone ahead of his linemates. P.O. has slid to close him off. This can be a stick led close off and should force a dump in. His defense partner can be ready to pivot and retrieve this freely because he doesn't have to babysit the line...plus he has good back pressure/support from his forwards. This should end up as a quick turnabout for the Penguins. Can't wait...close'em off 7-3!

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Oh...I guess "recover" time had ended and "eat" time has resumed. Joseph cannot process what's happening fast enough and is scared off by...I don't know...realizing that it's Dylan Larkin...or the speed, for some reason...or just trying to over-correct for mistakes that he was making in junior and misread the pattern recognition of all this. So, somehow he back skates away from the puck carrier. Look around...he cannot pass the puck to anyone and still be legal. But P.U. is determined to let this play fester...but there's another "recover" scenario coming, let's see what he comes up with...

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"I know! I'll just..."

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"Oh, pour s*** right into my c*** you f***!" That's the inner monologue of P.U. as he somehow allows the middle of the ice, allows a clean zone entry, and is going to create a rush chance off of that piece of garbage entry. I think this ends up in the net because of bad goaltending...but this wouldn't need tending if P.U. had an M.O. towards being P.O.

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Postby MR25 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:02 pm

Would be fun to see what he could be if Todd Reirden wasn't the one coaching d-men

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GDT #56: Pens @ Canucks

Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:14 pm

Nice breakdown mikey. It's unfathomable to me that play didn't end at the blue line. That's basic ****.

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