2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Jim
Posts: 4477
Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:58 pm
Location: Skating through traffic because I got hands!!!

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby Jim » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:59 pm

https://twitter.com/JoshYohe_PGH/status ... 30912?s=19

GMJR just said this is the best blue line the Penguins have had since he’s been here.


Wtf.gif

Defense. Rutherford has been here 5 years. Basically roster for the end of the season... The last three have all had Letang, Maatta, Dumoulin, Schultz and Ruhwedel

The variances:
18-19: Johnson, Petterson, Riikola, Gudbranson
17-18: Oleksiak, Hunwick
16-17: Cole, Daley, Hainsey, Streit
15-16: Cole, Daley, Lovejoy, Pouliot (but no Ruhwedel)
14-15: Cole, Lovejoy, Pouliot, Martin, Scuderi, Ehrhoff (but no Dumoulin, Schultz, Ruhwedel)

Obviously people will make arguments for Daley and Martin, but it's not like either of them was stellar. They were fine, but... realistically that is all. And in the Martin year you don't have Dumoulin or Schultz.

So... which one of these years makes Rutherford's statement so outrageous?

willeyeam
Posts: 39564
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:49 pm
Location: hodgepodge of nothingness

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby willeyeam » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:03 pm

Give me Cole, Daley and Hainsey over Johnson, Gudbranson and Pettersson. It's not an outrageous statement but I wouldn't call it accurate

MR25
Posts: 18478
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:58 pm
Location: Gamehendge

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby MR25 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:19 pm

It's outrageous if you look at it anywhere but on paper. Jack Johnson was that big of a detriment to the on-ice product when he was out there that it doesn't really matter how good anyone else on the D corps is. He brings down the average by that much.

He's to the Pens what Bart Simpson is to his classroom... the cone of ignorance.

Jim
Posts: 4477
Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:58 pm
Location: Skating through traffic because I got hands!!!

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby Jim » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:25 pm

Oh, It's outrageous... unless you actually look at it instead of knee-jerk reaction... Okay.

dodint
Posts: 59160
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Location: Cheer up, bіtch!
Contact:

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby dodint » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:30 pm

I really wanted Ehrhoff to work out. Now I'm bummed all over again.

willeyeam
Posts: 39564
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:49 pm
Location: hodgepodge of nothingness

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby willeyeam » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:32 pm

I forgot he was a thing

MR25
Posts: 18478
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:58 pm
Location: Gamehendge

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby MR25 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:41 pm

Oh, It's outrageous... unless you actually look at it instead of knee-jerk reaction... Okay.

But it's not a knee jerk reaction. I watched enough of Jack Johnson this year to definitively come to the conclusion that just him being on the D corps alone invalidates GMJR's statement.

MR25
Posts: 18478
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:58 pm
Location: Gamehendge

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby MR25 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:42 pm

I really wanted Ehrhoff to work out. Now I'm bummed all over again.

IIRC he got hurt early (?) that year and it looked like he never fully came back from it.

He had a great shot though.

mikey
Posts: 42250
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:58 pm
Location: More of a before-rehab friend...
Contact:

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby mikey » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:12 pm

Yeah, I was a little taken aback that Ehrhoff failed here...

meow
Posts: 30451
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:53 am
Location: I have four degrees and am a moron. Don’t let that fool you

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby meow » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:12 am

That conkie Ehrhoff took here effectively ended his career

Trip McNeely
Posts: 8812
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:02 am

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby Trip McNeely » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:44 am

If the Pens want to look to shake things up, it makes a lot of sense to look at “also shakin them up teams” like the Flames and the Jets if they crap the boat in their series.

mikey
Posts: 42250
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:58 pm
Location: More of a before-rehab friend...
Contact:

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby mikey » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:43 am

Real deal was a healthy in an elimination game...*cough*

shmenguin
Posts: 19041
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:37 pm
Location: people notice my car when its shined up

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby shmenguin » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:49 am

But his hair tho. Majestic.

Trip McNeely
Posts: 8812
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:02 am

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby Trip McNeely » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:51 am

Real deal was a healthy in an elimination game...*cough*
That's a bear of a contract

mikey
Posts: 42250
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:58 pm
Location: More of a before-rehab friend...
Contact:

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby mikey » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:16 am

Are we really in a position to turn down a seven-goal scorer though? A million a goal is about the going rate these days...

Trip McNeely
Posts: 8812
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:02 am

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby Trip McNeely » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:42 am

Are we really in a position to turn down a seven-goal scorer though? A million a goal is about the going rate these days...
Signing goal scorers on the open market is a losing cause most of the time. More of the reason to keep Kessel I guess.

Lelldorin
Posts: 806
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:45 am
Location: Wildantor, Sweden

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby Lelldorin » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:06 am

Trade everyone to make room for Eberle and/or Karlsson

mikey
Posts: 42250
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:58 pm
Location: More of a before-rehab friend...
Contact:

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby mikey » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:23 am

I'm a Karlsson backer. I really am. I'm assuming he's a $70 million investment at least...I don't have any interest in that. I don't think he'll ever return to the form that he once had and I don't want the downside...because I imagine that downside looks a lot like late Coffey or late Leetch...and I don't want anything to do with that nonsense...

Trading Kessel to sign Eberle...well...I guess that allows you to liquidate Kessel...so is Eberle and 12 or 14 or 15 worth Kessel? That's a matter for the courts...

Gaucho
Posts: 49576
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:31 pm
Location: shootzepucklefraude

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby Gaucho » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:45 am

**** Eberle

Trip McNeely
Posts: 8812
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:02 am

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby Trip McNeely » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:04 pm

There's not much in the free agent pool at forward other than Anders Lee, who as Mikey pointed out a little while ago, is gonna want alot of money. Jordan Eberle, meh.

The only other thing I would like is if we signed Joe Pavelski on a cheap deal and convince him to be our third line center or convince Malkin to play wing on the second line. Oh, and then trade Bjustad. Yeaaa, thats unlikely i would say

mikey
Posts: 42250
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:58 pm
Location: More of a before-rehab friend...
Contact:

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby mikey » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:20 pm

We signed 27 year old Oula Palve to a one-year deal.

dodint
Posts: 59160
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Location: Cheer up, bіtch!
Contact:

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby dodint » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:24 pm

Plan the parade boys.

FistOfCaufield
Posts: 2827
Joined: Mon May 04, 2015 11:09 am

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby FistOfCaufield » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:36 pm

Looks at the Wales though...

CBJ is a tough team, with one flash guy. Washington is a tough team, but soft in the middle with Backs and Kuzy...Boston is a tough team with one big time line, but even they play pretty hard...Carolina is a team of grinders...the Islanders are always covered in mud and they smell like that ****** stinky kid from Peanuts, whatever his name was, Stinky or whatever, he had that cloud of like diesel exhaust around him or whatever, that's them...

The Lightning are flashy and fast...didn't win a game...the Leafs are flashy and fun, they're in tough...Buffalo tried to be a flashy team, they lost 25 straight to end the year after they were in first...ya know, Detroit, NJ, they try to be open teams, they're not there yet obviously, but they're not relevant...Yzerman is about to go to Detroit, he built Tampa into what it is...NJ is about to add Jack Hughes...that kid could play the game with a dozen eggs in his pants and not break a single one...

I'm not saying you're wrong, G. I think we like a similar style of game...but is the reality of the situation that we need more Sprongs, more Hagelins...? Maybe it is, maybe we can skate away from our problems, maybe we can out score them...maybe...but you really need entry level help for that I think, and I don't think we're gonna turn that up...

I think of this and think of the trends you see in the league. Everyone is doing what the penguins did a few years ago. I don't think you can out skate teams the way the penguins did in the two cup years. Everyone wants speed, everyone wants to "play the right way". Everyone has brought up the younger, faster, skill guys they have the way the Penguins did.

So what's the next trend, and is there one? Does the game go back to size, do the officials start allowing players to take away space away from the puck in the playoffs? I don't know the answer and I don't know if anyone does.

mikey
Posts: 42250
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:58 pm
Location: More of a before-rehab friend...
Contact:

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby mikey » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:46 pm

The thing about trends is that someone has to create them, they don't form organically...they don't grow in the wild waiting to be discovered.

I'll say that Tampa and Calgary losing, even though we're not the same, but Pittsburgh losing...if Toronto loses...boy, that's gonna be an awfully big hit for the speed/skill contingent, is it not?

MR25
Posts: 18478
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:58 pm
Location: Gamehendge

2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby MR25 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:22 pm

Colorado seems to be a team built around speed and skill. Could argue Columbus made the decision to move toward that game with their trade deadline acquisitions.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: faftorial, Orlando Penguin and 45 guests