2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:50 pm

That was close. At live speed, I thought Cluckerbucket should have gotten a minor...on the replay, I actually thought there wasn't a lot there...

Postby **Lelldorin** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:04 pm

My n00b assessment of our players:

Almost untouchable
Sid
Guentzel

Would really like to keep
McCann
Dumo
Letang
Schultz

Move if the offer is good
Malkin
Kessel
Bjugstad
Rust
Maatta
Simon*
ZAR*
Pettersson*
*=probably fetches a very small return in a trade

Indifferent
Cullen
Wilson
Hörnqvist
Johnson
Gudbrandson

The largest problem as I see it (apart from us being old and slow and non-physical) is that we have 7 defensemen that can play in the NHL. One of them should probably go, and preferingly for pick(s). It seemed as if Maatta and Pettersson could pair fairly well with Johnson and Gudbrandson before the playoffs, but anyway.

I would like to get rid of either Hörnqvist or Gudbrandson for salary cap reasons

Otherwise Maatta since he can't get 4 millions for eating nachos.

Riikola can fill in if one of our six remaining defensemen gets injured.

I would entertain offers for Kessel if we can get younger. I like him for one more season, but what happens as he gets older?

Postby **dodint** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:34 pm

Your list is bad because there is no 'Fire into the sun' category.

Postby **Jim** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:37 pm

We need a poll for 'weirdest takes by a poster on this board.' Contestants so far are:

dodint's hate for Letang
Morkle's hate for Simon
Jim's hate for Malkin
shmenguin's desire to watch bdsm-on-ice
Any of LBL's hockey opinions
dodint's hate for Murray's glove hand too
funny because the rest of the league loves it

That's POTW. Does anyone remember POTW?

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:41 pm

I don't think it's right, but I think Riikola is done in the NHL. I think he'll just go back to Europe. Those situations are always tough to gauge...but I imagine he won't get another shot. He could be a 6/7 in this league if he wants to be...

You have to figure like defensemen (Pettersson, Riikola, Maatta all serve a similar purpose on the roster), like handedness among expendables, and then asset (or some cases, negative value) return...

It's a delicate balance...

Rigger · Postby **Rigger** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:59 pm

Anyone entertaining the idea of moving malkin is a ****** of douches

Postby **shafnutz05** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:12 pm

Anyone entertaining the idea of moving malkin is a ****** of douches

Postby **spiritfan** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:42 pm

Blah blah blah blah blah... it’s simple, do the Pens want players that fit their system or a system that fits their players? THAT determines what happens this offseason and why they sucked his season. Pick one or the other and just do it... current players + current system = loooooosers. No shades of gray here... time to put up or shut up... especially with the stars.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:48 pm

What would you say our "current system" is?

Postby **spiritfan** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:53 pm

Offensive minded... skilled... puck possession... fast

Rigger · Postby **Rigger** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:57 pm

That's not a **** system

Postby **Kane** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:15 pm

Damn, looks like I have to rebuild my foe list.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:20 pm

Yeah, not a system, nor is that how we have played for much of this season. We spent a lot of time in passive forecheck situations and I'm not sure any team desires not to possess the puck...I'm not sure a coach out there thinks, "ya know, we have a better chance without the disc..."

We specifically didn't acquire speed and everyone saddled up defensively, led by the captain. Who has a good shot at finishing between 4th and 8th for the Selke on merit for the first time...

Postby **spiritfan** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:01 pm

Yep still got a lot of those blue shirt wearing seat leaners here... never changes

Postby **Rx6687** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:16 pm

Anyone entertaining the idea of moving malkin is a ****** of douches

Well, he has a clause in his contract, so there's that...

...but with trades, it always comes down to the offer. I'd move ANYONE not named Crosby if an insane offer was made.

Don't worry though, Geno isn't going anywhere.

Postby **willeyeam** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:32 pm

This BS comes up every time we don't win the Cup. Geno ain't getting traded

Rigger · Postby **Rigger** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:33 pm

Damn, looks like I have to rebuild my foe list.

Oh my bad bro, please don't foe me.

"Skate fast, hold onto the puck and be talented" is totally a valid hockey "system"

Postby **dodint** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:47 pm

Damn, looks like I have to rebuild my foe list.
Oh my bad bro, please don't foe me.

"Skate fast, hold onto the puck and be talented" is totally a valid hockey "system"

I thought he meant spiritfan.

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:43 pm

What poster on 5AF would return the most value in a trade?

Rigger · Postby **Rigger** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:53 pm

Damn, looks like I have to rebuild my foe list.
Oh my bad bro, please don't foe me.

"Skate fast, hold onto the puck and be talented" is totally a valid hockey "system"
I thought he meant spiritfan.

If he did, then ignore me.

Postby **Lelldorin** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:34 am

I didn't have any "Throw them into the sun" category, since I think that most players belong in the NHL. The largest issue I have with some is that they have a too high cap hit with respect to their performance.

...and I want us to get younger and faster or tougher, which means that I would either like to try to sell high on players that don't fulfull that, or get rid of salary to enable some UFAs to be signed.

The downside with UFAs is that they tend to be very expensive if you want to go for the more popular ones. But, if you are willing to pay, you can get someone that fits your desired style of play.

If we take Gudbrandson for example. He seems to be a decent defenseman since Martin/Gonchar have worked with him, but could we get a better player via free agency for the same salary? Probably not, especially if we would have to pay someone to take him.

Postby **Lemon Berry Lobster** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:15 am

What poster on 5AF would return the most value in a trade?

Eddysnake, mikey a close second place

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:08 am

and I want us to get younger and faster or tougher,

Yeah, and that's the thing, every GM says that going into the year...think of the opposites...not as appealing...

Postby **Kane** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:57 am

Damn, looks like I have to rebuild my foe list.
Oh my bad bro, please don't foe me.

"Skate fast, hold onto the puck and be talented" is totally a valid hockey "system"
I thought he meant spiritfan.
If he did, then ignore me.

Yep, spiritfan. Might as well add beachboy, too, but he hasn't been around.

Postby **the wicked child** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:45 am

I have an intense dislike for Simon. Perhaps bordering on irrational... But here's the thing... He is not a useless player. However, his complete and utter lack of finishing ability make him pretty much worthless on the top lines.

Time and again he has been forced on that top line, and time and again it does absolutely nothing when they do.

Bourque commented on this numerous times throughout the season, about how he just doesn't see what the coaching staff seems to see with him in that spot.

If he were stapled to the 4th line, with occasional 3rd line work, I wouldn't mind him being on the team... However, he always seems to pop up on that top line, much to my dismay.

Could be that he's BFF with Crosby or something, but I'd think that Crosby would rather have someone who can put tbe gd puck in the net once in awhile in that spot.