2019 Penguins Offseason/Draft Thread

Postby **Trip McNeely** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:21 am

What’s the point of trading a first round pick without moving anyone else on the roster? Right now, it’s full, so unless you move Johnson, Gudbranson, or Kessel, it makes little sense

Thinking out loud: maybe rust and a 1st for a legit winger is the move....but I have zero idea who that winger is

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:31 am

I don't think the idea is to trade the pick and be done with it.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:34 am

Yeah there has to be a bigger plan here, but we only see the tip of the iceberg now.

Lost a top-four d-man, subtracted cap.
Added a middle-six forward, added cap space.

I don't know if this deal cancels out the Kessel/Johnson for Zucker/Rask...I'll try to find out.

Postby **Trip McNeely** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:55 am

I don't think the idea is to trade the pick and be done with it.

Yea for sure. But I’m not sure what it does with anyone that we want to trade.

Like kessel plus a first brings what? A better, younger winger? That scenario doesn’t make a ton of sense

JJ plus a first? That’s a lot to give up to dump a contract.

Postby **nocera** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:56 am

Source of the post JJ plus a first? That’s a lot to give up to dump a contract.

I don't even need to see the return. I'm sold.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:58 am

See I don't think it's worth 21 to move JJ out. The cap hit is just too low to warrant that.

The cap hit of buying him out is peanuts...if we were really desperate, that's an easy play.

Trading 21, where we could get a legit first rounder to fall to us, would be a horrific move...

Postby **Trip McNeely** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:59 am

See I don't think it's worth 21 to move JJ out. The cap hit is just too low to warrant that.

The cap hit of buying him out is peanuts...if we were really desperate, that's an easy play.

Trading 21, where we could get a legit first rounder to fall to us, would be a horrific move...

Absolutely agree

His cap hit yearly isn’t totally atrocious. It’s bad but not a killer. I wouldn’t do that for a second, maybe a third.

Postby **nocera** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:00 am

Can we start a GoFundMe for the buyout?

Postby **Trip McNeely** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:48 am

I think the buyout is a little over 1 million spread all the way to 2027. It’s not terrible considering the fact that the cap continues to go up. But it would be nice to find someone to take that contract

Postby **MR25** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:08 pm

Penguins Willing to Trade First-Round Pick, in Win-Now Mode
https://pittsburghhockeynow.com/pittsbu ... ound-pick/

Trading a first round pick!? Get right out of town.

Why are we giving Dan Kingerski attention

Postby **meow** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:13 pm

luckily, we can just blame Murray for stuff

And most of the fan base rejoices

Postby **meow** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:13 pm

Penguins Willing to Trade First-Round Pick, in Win-Now Mode
https://pittsburghhockeynow.com/pittsbu ... ound-pick/

Trading a first round pick!? Get right out of town.

Trade that ish and trade it now

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:52 pm

**** Bud Moonshine.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:20 pm

Ooh, I wonder if Alexander Edler would play here now...

Postby **Trip McNeely** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:24 pm

Ooh, I wonder if Alexander Edler would play here now...

Swapping him for JJ would be tits

Postby **llipgh2** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:46 pm

Why are we giving Dan Kingerski attention

Seriously.

Postby **llipgh2** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:50 pm

It will take an incredible offer put together by the Pens or finding an incredibly stupid GM to move JJ. Hoping for the latter, know it will take the former.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:00 pm

I think it's fair to assume that he's worth another questionable contract...I think if we went to Minnesota and offered him straight up for Victor Rask, I think they'd do that...this is where pro scouting really comes into play (yes, the same pro scouts that may have recommended Jack in the first place)...but not all players that are stapled to the bench or on the fourth line making $4 million are bad...you have to really sift through and find what that player actually is, not what his stats suggest that he was...

Matt Niskanen was one of the worst players in the league when we got him...Justin Schultz was maligned terribly...we have a history of unearthing some guys that have been useful to us...this one is working from a limited marketplace, but that doesn't mean it isn't do-able if you try...

Part of the equation is: how desperate are you? Do you feel like it's ok to fill a hole with a more expensive piece where it doesn't belong? For instance, I'd go back to Vancouver because I have other pieces I'd be interested in: the rights to Edler (though I think that salary/NTC combo is gonna be too much, I still wouldn't mind trying), the rights to Brendan Gaunce, the rights to Josh Leivo, for instance...

Then you gotta take a salary back...I don't think you're gonna get away with it with Ryan Spooner because there's no term there...but what if it's Sutter, Beagle, or Roussel that comes back the other way for Johnson...? With Sutter you can fill the 3C hole, that loosens up Jugs to be moved or to be a winger...Beagle and Roussel are both fourth lines, but with Beagle you get a very reliable 4C. With Roussel you get a lot of agitation, and that frees up Simon or ZAR on the LW if you want to move on there...

Then, of course, you've now shed 2 LD in the last 24 hours if you make this move right now...so you have to be aware of that...that would leave just Dumo, Pettersson and Riikola..but LD are pretty plentiful in this league, so you might not be out of luck there...

Postby **shmenguin** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:08 pm

but what if it's Sutter, Beagle, or Roussel that comes back the other way for Johnson...? With Sutter you can fill the 3C hole

no need to resort to personal attacks.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:11 pm

Like trying to slip medicine to a dog, I thought if I had wedged that pill deep in the spoonful of peanut butter that it might escape you...alas...

Postby **MR25** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Vancouver wants D men who hit people.

It's destiny

Postby **crusherstasiak** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:20 pm

Why are we giving Dan Kingerski attention
Seriously.

a little heavy on the analytical side but i like the guy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Postby **NTP66** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:53 pm

This is why I pay no attention to pensburgh: https://www.pensburgh.com/2019/6/10/186 ... ssel-trade

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:36 pm

Out of all the SB Nation Pittsburgh sports sites, I would say it’s the worst.

Postby **Factorial** » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:51 pm

This is why I pay no attention to pensburgh: https://www.pensburgh.com/2019/6/10/186 ... ssel-trade

No, but I never thought I would be a Rick Tocchet fan as I hated him on the Flyers.