GDT: Game LXX - PIT v DAL - 7:38 EDT

Postby **Lemon Berry Lobster** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:58 pm

I think MacKinnon locks it up if they make the playoffs for sure. The Hart is for the player most valuable to his team, so if he can get them into the playoffs and he stays in the top 5 in scoring I think it is his to lose.

Postby **Silentom** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:58 pm

Co-signed.

Postby **shmenguin** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:13 pm

The Hart is for the player most valuable to his team

I don’t like this interpretation. It’s incomplete and doesn’t account for valuable context. I know it’s a common way to look at it, but I don’t agree with it.

McKinnon is a former #1 who is now scoring like you hope a former #1 would. He could make the playoffs, but will get knocked out in round 1. I think he and hall are having remarkable years but kucherov has been Wall-to-wall dominant on the league’s best team. I dunno...I like giving the Hart to the best player who is on a good team. Until someone comes up with a better explanation of the award’s criteria, that’s how I see it.

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:26 pm

It's not an interpretation, it's the definition. Based on that, it can only be between Hall and MacKinnon.

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:27 pm

That said, I'd be fine if they just gave the thing to the best player, period. I guess that's what the Lindsay is for.

Postby **Lemon Berry Lobster** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:32 pm

The Hart is for the player most valuable to his team
I don’t like this interpretation. It’s incomplete and doesn’t account for valuable context. I know it’s a common way to look at it, but I don’t agree with it.

McKinnon is a former #1 who is now scoring like you hope a former #1 would. He could make the playoffs, but will get knocked out in round 1. I think he and hall are having remarkable years but kucherov has been Wall-to-wall dominant on the league’s best team. I dunno...I like giving the Hart to the best player who is on a good team. Until someone comes up with a better explanation of the award’s criteria, that’s how I see it.

The Hart Memorial Trophy is an annual award given to the player judged to be the most valuable to his team.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=24934

By that definition MacKinnon is more valuable to his team than Kucherov is to his.

Postby **shmenguin** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:41 pm

It's not an interpretation, it's the definition. Based on that, it can only be between Hall and MacKinnon.

It’s an interpretation. If it was taken literally, mcdavid would win. There’s an unspoken rule that you must make the playoffs. Which immediately nullifies the official definition.

Which means there is no actual definition.

Postby **meow** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:45 pm

I wish Hall was still melting faces because I’d love for him to win it for the lolololols because Edmonton

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:59 pm

It's not an interpretation, it's the definition. Based on that, it can only be between Hall and MacKinnon.
It’s an interpretation. If it was taken literally, mcdavid would win. There’s an unspoken rule that you must make the playoffs. Which immediately nullifies the official definition.

Which means there is no actual definition.

This unspoken rule makes a lot of sense, imo.

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:05 pm

It's not an interpretation, it's the definition. Based on that, it can only be between Hall and MacKinnon.
It’s an interpretation. If it was taken literally, mcdavid would win. There’s an unspoken rule that you must make the playoffs. Which immediately nullifies the official definition.

Which means there is no actual definition.
This unspoken rule makes a lot of sense, imo.

Yea I think it does too, at least from gating potential winners. Plus the Lindsay would pick up the true best player as voted on by other players, which is more meaningful to me anyways.

Postby **shmenguin** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:19 pm

It's not an interpretation, it's the definition. Based on that, it can only be between Hall and MacKinnon.
It’s an interpretation. If it was taken literally, mcdavid would win. There’s an unspoken rule that you must make the playoffs. Which immediately nullifies the official definition.

Which means there is no actual definition.
This unspoken rule makes a lot of sense, imo.

It does make sense. But it creates a nebulous standard for the winner. There is ALWAYS interpretation to the meaning.

But is McKinnon leading his team to a round 1 sweep more important than McDavid keeping a franchise + fan base from blowing their brains out? Maybe, maybe not. So I don’t know if simply making the playoffs is a good qualifier anyways.

Postby **Lemon Berry Lobster** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:45 pm

But do you know who the last player to win the Hart without making the playoffs was?

Postby **meow** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:53 pm

A little guy named mario lemieux

Postby **the wicked child** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:06 pm

Kucherov will win it, unless Brooks Orpik deflects a shot into his jaw.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:13 pm

The feeling around the league (from the smart people that is, I can't account for most local writers...who unfortunately make up a big percentage of the voting population) is that Kucherov isn't a very strong option...

I like the Hall or MacKinnon option, depending on which makes the playoffs...

Patrice Bergeron was going to be in the conversation too if he didn't break himself...

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:29 pm

Why would Bergeron be a better option than Kucherov?

Postby **meow** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:33 pm

I’m guessing because Bergeron is a complete player, therefore an important part of the Bs. While Kucherov is a one dimensional scoring machine.

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:37 pm

And therefore not important?

Postby **meow** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:40 pm

Not at all. It’s an award for a center, imo. They just have more impact on the game - other than scoring obviously

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:40 pm

Not that I'd necessarily disagree with that choice ...

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:41 pm

Not at all. It’s an award for a center, imo. They just have more impact on the game - other than scoring obviously

Agreed.

Postby **columbia** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:43 pm

I’m guessing because Bergeron is a complete player, therefore an important part of the Bs. While Kucherov is a one dimensional scoring machine.

Some believe that Ovechkin is more valuable than Malkin.

Postby **meow** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:44 pm

I’m guessing because Bergeron is a complete player, therefore an important part of the Bs. While Kucherov is a one dimensional scoring machine.
Some believe that Ovechkin is more valuable than Malkin.

There’s lots of idiots out there, c-dawg

Postby **shmenguin** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:47 pm

I think kucherov should get it but hall and McKinnon are certainly deserving as well. I can’t really muster a hot take. Lots of good candidates.

Postby **Pavel Bure** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:48 pm

If Malkin finishes first in points and goals you guys don't think he'll swing a lot of votes?