Pens acquire Sheahan and a 5th from Det for Wilson and a 3rd

[Gaucho]

Reaves notwithstanding (?), the team appears to have become softer and not tougher over the summer.

[columbia]

Getting Streit back could remedy that.

[mikey]

But Reaves has the strength of ten men...so that really drags up the average.

[mikey]

So, on the offense side, he's like Sutter, in that he's unlikely to generate scoring chances for his linemates.

That's right from that perspective. Unlike Sutter, though, Sheahan cannot carry the disc as well...so at least Sutter gained zones, Sheahan seems unlikely to be able to do that...as I have said, ideally, Sheahan plays LW at this level...that said, our coaching staff has been able to make chicken salad out of chicken feathers all over the lineup...

[crusherstasiak]

...watched the entire game last night and didn't know this

oh wait...not a fan of milquetoast so I watched the Tampa feed

My perspective

The I don't know enough about hockey to make this kind of evaluation but I'm gonna make it anyway opinion - you know, like most everybody in the politics thread

Do not like this trade at all. When you've heard Mickey Redmond repeatedly say 'Sheahan has trouble getting out of his own way' you wonder what Rutherford sees?

[Gaucho]

Mickey Redmond can't tell sh*t from shinola.

[columbia]

He's sees that they didn't have a 3C and is more familiar with the market prices than said announcer.

Whether it works out is another story.

[crusherstasiak]

He's sees that they didn't have a 3C and is more familiar with the market prices than said announcer.

Whether it works out is another story.

Yes. And one can hope for a Patrick Maroon kind of thing, so there's that.

@Gaucho ...he knows more than you do do so screw you.

[Jim]

Not against the deal, but not for it. I don't understand the draw people have to Sheahan other than he was available, and journalists talked up the Pens going for him.

Offense last 2+ seasons (15-16, 16-17, 17-18):
Sheahan: 169gp 16-22-38, 0.2249ppg
Wilson : 105gp 13-19-32, 0.3048ppg

So... Sheahan is absolutely nothing to write home about offensively. Not really physical, meh defensively. Sheahan was 50.2% on faceoffs last year but took 466. This year he has only taken 19 in 8 games, so even Detroit doesn't want him at the dot. Even Hagelin has taken 10. At this point, the biggest change to the pens is that Wilson made $0.625M and Sheahan makes $2.075M, 3.32x as much.

Fingers crossed that he can handle the faceoff load. If so then the Pens are better off. If not, then they just wasted a good bit of cap space to put towards actual improvement.

[columbia]

The Penguins are a rich team and can afford to bury that salary in the AHL.

[Gaucho]

He had a terrible season, but from 2013-16 he had 36+49 in 202 GP. Those are fine numbers, numbers that of course don't fit a certain narrative.

[Lelldorin]

I haven't seen Sheahan play, but from Mikey's scouting report it sounds like Sheahan will be one of the worst 3C in the league. It seems like we got him for quite few assets, but I would have preferred if we could get a better 3C even though we would have to give up more.

But the team should be a little improved and didn't give up much...

[shmenguin]

Not against the deal, but not for it. I don't understand the draw people have to Sheahan other than he was available, and journalists talked up the Pens going for him.

Offense last 2+ seasons (15-16, 16-17, 17-18):
Sheahan: 169gp 16-22-38, 0.2249ppg
Wilson : 105gp 13-19-32, 0.3048ppg

So... Sheahan is absolutely nothing to write home about offensively. Not really physical, meh defensively. Sheahan was 50.2% on faceoffs last year but took 466. This year he has only taken 19 in 8 games, so even Detroit doesn't want him at the dot. Even Hagelin has taken 10. At this point, the biggest change to the pens is that Wilson made $0.625M and Sheahan makes $2.075M, 3.32x as much.

Fingers crossed that he can handle the faceoff load. If so then the Pens are better off. If not, then they just wasted a good bit of cap space to put towards actual improvement.

Unless he's a fixture on the PK, there is no faceoff load. He'd take what...15 or so a game? If he's 45% he wins 7. If he's 55% he wins 8. It'd be nice if he was an ace we could put out there in his own end with a minute left, leading by a goal...but that's a luxury. Not a necessity.

[Jim]

The Penguins are a rich team and can afford to bury that salary in the AHL.

Who's Sheahan's? It would still be a $1M cap hit.

[Jim]

He had a terrible season, but from 2013-16 he had 36+49 in 202 GP. Those are fine numbers, numbers that of course don't fit a certain narrative.

You mean the narrative of that he has done recently, for the past two seasons, the direction his game appears to be going and therefore waht you would expect from him currently and moving forward. Yeah, older history doesn't support that narrative.

Heck, if we aren't going to bother looking at recent production... Rutherford should sigh Wayne Gretzky, he had some good year, just not his recent ones, but apparently that doesn't matter to some, doesn't fit their narritive. Maybe Bobby Orr is bored...

[Jim]

Not against the deal, but not for it. I don't understand the draw people have to Sheahan other than he was available, and journalists talked up the Pens going for him.

Offense last 2+ seasons (15-16, 16-17, 17-18):
Sheahan: 169gp 16-22-38, 0.2249ppg
Wilson : 105gp 13-19-32, 0.3048ppg

So... Sheahan is absolutely nothing to write home about offensively. Not really physical, meh defensively. Sheahan was 50.2% on faceoffs last year but took 466. This year he has only taken 19 in 8 games, so even Detroit doesn't want him at the dot. Even Hagelin has taken 10. At this point, the biggest change to the pens is that Wilson made $0.625M and Sheahan makes $2.075M, 3.32x as much.

Fingers crossed that he can handle the faceoff load. If so then the Pens are better off. If not, then they just wasted a good bit of cap space to put towards actual improvement.

Unless he's a fixture on the PK, there is no faceoff load. He'd take what...15 or so a game? If he's 45% he wins 7. If he's 55% he wins 8. It'd be nice if he was an ace we could put out there in his own end with a minute left, leading by a goal...but that's a luxury. Not a necessity.

But the problem is that last year he averaged 5.8 FOs/G (at 50.2%), this year 2.3 FOs/G. So 15 would be a considerable load in comparison. Like I said, if he can do it great, but it is a large "?" at this point.

[Gaucho]

He had a terrible season, but from 2013-16 he had 36+49 in 202 GP. Those are fine numbers, numbers that of course don't fit a certain narrative.

You mean the narrative of that he has done recently, for the past two seasons, the direction his game appears to be going and therefore waht you would expect from him currently and moving forward. Yeah, older history doesn't support that narrative.

Heck, if we aren't going to bother looking at recent production... Rutherford should sigh Wayne Gretzky, he had some good year, just not his recent ones, but apparently that doesn't matter to some, doesn't fit their narritive. Maybe Bobby Orr is bored...

Good thinking, Jimbo.

[dodint]

Orr at 3C with Letang on LW would be fun.

[Jim]

He had a terrible season, but from 2013-16 he had 36+49 in 202 GP. Those are fine numbers, numbers that of course don't fit a certain narrative.

You mean the narrative of that he has done recently, for the past two seasons, the direction his game appears to be going and therefore waht you would expect from him currently and moving forward. Yeah, older history doesn't support that narrative.

Heck, if we aren't going to bother looking at recent production... Rutherford should sigh Wayne Gretzky, he had some good year, just not his recent ones, but apparently that doesn't matter to some, doesn't fit their narritive. Maybe Bobby Orr is bored...

Good thinking, Jimbo.

Someone needs to put actual thought into posts, might as well be me. Kudos on two full sentences though.