Ovechkin best since Gretzky?

Postby **cadams** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:48 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fanc ... e-gretzky/

This ****** at the Washington Post says so mainly to a stat he seemed to have invented. Directly calls out Crosby and Mario. Thankfully even most Caps fans aren't that retarded and are disagreeing in the comments.

Postby **Pavel Bure** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:53 pm

Best goal scorer since me probably...

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:57 pm

Pens related...?

Postby **cadams** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:58 pm

That's not in dispute. But he's far from the best since Gretzky and its debatable if he's even the best player overall right now.

Postby **cadams** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:58 pm

Pens related...?

Writer took a giant dump on Mario and the Pens. Its related.

Postby **Pavel Bure** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:01 pm

Pens related...?
Writer took a giant dump on Mario and the Pens. Its related.

Rossi has officially gone too far.

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:10 pm

Anyway, its kind of funny. He's looking at pure numbers without any context.

Its like saying Karl Malone is better than MJ because he scored more

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:16 pm

Ovi is not even the best Russian since Gretzky #Federov #Datsyuk

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:21 pm

Ovi is not even the best Russian since Gretzky #Bure #Kovalev

fixed that for ya

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:24 pm

I thought about Burr but he was kind of a contemporary of Gretzky

Postby **Beveridge** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:33 pm

Even Flyers fans who weren't trying to stir the pot would take issues going as far as Lemieux.

You want to put him above Crosby? Fine, whatever, I wouldn't agree but I wouldn't care to argue. But Lemieux is in the Mount Rushmore of Hockey. Ovechkin (and Crosby for that matter) as of now are just boogers hanging out of Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, and Orr's nose. Maybe when their careers are over you will see them on the observation deck getting a better view.

Postby **IanMoran** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:54 pm

Wow. Oversensitive Pens fans... The guy states his theory that AO is making his case as to why he's better than Crosby / Mario (basically stating they're his competition for best player since Gretzky. He then mentions a couple stats that Ovy exceeds them on. Do I agree with his conclusion? Absolutely not. Is it a "slamming our beloved Penguins piece". No, not at all...

Postby **NAN** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:22 am

Pretty dumb article, but not the crap dumping on Pens that some are making it.

Postby **Factorial** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:23 am

Postby **Sarcastic** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:39 pm

Wow. Oversensitive Pens fans... The guy states his theory that AO is making his case as to why he's better than Crosby / Mario (basically stating they're his competition for best player since Gretzky. He then mentions a couple stats that Ovy exceeds them on. Do I agree with his conclusion? Absolutely not. Is it a "slamming our beloved Penguins piece". No, not at all...

I can understand comparing Ovechkin to Sid, but Mario was so far ahead, so much more dominant, only a Washington reporter could have written that piece. I didn't even read it, because I watched Mario and I watched OV and there is no comparison.

Postby **Craig** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:43 pm

I'd take an in his prime Jagr over OV anyway. Part of me thinks that is nostalgia for one of the best players when I grew up, but most of me thinks its correct.

Postby **Factorial** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:03 pm

I'd take an in his prime Jagr over OV anyway. Part of me thinks that is nostalgia for one of the best players when I grew up, but most of me thinks its correct.

It's close but I would probably take OV over Jagr but the Mario comparisons are silly.

Postby **bhflyhigh** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:18 pm

I still think I'd take Jagr over OV. JJ was a much better overall player. OV is elite at shooting but there is a lot that JJ did waaaay better.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:58 am

I'd take Jagr over Ovechkin as well...the gap is narrowing...

Postby **cadams** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:11 am

I'd take Jagr over Ovechkin as well...the gap is narrowing...

And will widen again in a few years when Ovechkin can't play his borderline dirty game because he's gotten a step slower.

I'd put Forsberg above Ovechkin too.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:26 am

Well...just talking wingers...there's a few guys above Ovechkin still (~10ish) but he's way up there...purely left wings, only Bobby Hull is definitively better historically...then depending on your value of Ted Lindsay and to a lesser extent, Valeri Kharlamov, will depend on where he slots from there...he's way up there though...

If you took everything into account, Forsberg and Ovechkin are probably pretty close...though only Ovechkin has the ability to pull away, and he's going to add another Maurice Richard and (likely) 2nd place Hart finish (best skater though) to his resume...

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:12 am

what about in terms of just pure scoring ability?

he's gotta be top 5ish, right?

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:39 am

In no order, you figure Lemieux, Gretzky, Bobby Hull, Mike Bossy...then you figure guys like Phil Esposito, Maurice Richard, Alexander Ovechkin, Gordie Howe...then I guess it probably opens up a little bit...Pavel Bure, Charlie Conacher, throw in some high peak guys like Lafleur and Brett Hull...that's about the size of it probably...

So, yeah, he's in the 5ish discussion...

Postby **count2infinity** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:43 am

I had to rub my eyes as I thought I saw Corey Conacher...