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Postby Trip McNeely » Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:21 am

Meh. Besides their goaltending, power play, penalty kill, defensive zone coverage, puck management, and bottom six forwards they're a pretty good team imo.
I know you are being facetious but what’s so **** frustrating about this year is all of those things, minus special teams, could have been fixed by the GM. And they truly would be a really good team if so. But he botched it about as bad as you could botch.

And frankly, this Granlund move looks downright atrocious so far. I heard someone call him the 5 million dollar Dominic Simon and while of course it’s not that, it’s not super far off

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Postby Trip McNeely » Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:27 am

To add, I’ve seen so much talk about the Penguins inconsistency. “Why are they so inconsistent? What do they need to do to become more consistent?”

The answer is plain to see: if the top 6 and/or Letang /Pettersson have an off night, they are totally ****. So the games that they do have this off nights, they lose 6-0. It’s pretty straight forward. In probably the last 40 games, I can maybe think of ONE where they got secondary scoring to bail out an off night by the stars. You just ain’t gonna win when you expect aging stars to yank a team along every single night. What they’ve done this year might really be one of the best years we’ve ever seen from our stars considering the circumstances

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Postby mikey » Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:26 pm

It's the old thing, there isn't one player in the league that plays at 100% for all 82 games. Just can't happen. So, when 87 or 58 in particular have a bad night - that's it, we're hooped. Without 87 cookin', that's two really good players next to him that can't really do much themselves. Yeah, Guentzel can shoot it past the goalie (see: game 1 2017 Final), yes Rakell (when he was there) can do some stuff on his own...but generally, 87 drives the bus.

Similarly, 58 is bringing his partner along...and if he's not playing well, that means 28 minutes becomes 22, and that means there's shifts going to...whoever...Ruhwedel or something...

The Penguins are like a junior team or a college team...they have two lines and then the rest of the team just tries to hang on and not take a minus. The only difference is - this isn't college, the teams we're playing against have a plus third line...when you're out-gunned three lines to two, you lose more often than not...

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Postby Trip McNeely » Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:37 pm

It's the old thing, there isn't one player in the league that plays at 100% for all 82 games. Just can't happen. So, when 87 or 58 in particular have a bad night - that's it, we're hooped. Without 87 cookin', that's two really good players next to him that can't really do much themselves. Yeah, Guentzel can shoot it past the goalie (see: game 1 2017 Final), yes Rakell (when he was there) can do some stuff on his own...but generally, 87 drives the bus.

Similarly, 58 is bringing his partner along...and if he's not playing well, that means 28 minutes becomes 22, and that means there's shifts going to...whoever...Ruhwedel or something...

The Penguins are like a junior team or a college team...they have two lines and then the rest of the team just tries to hang on and not take a minus. The only difference is - this isn't college, the teams we're playing against have a plus third line...when you're out-gunned three lines to two, you lose more often than not...
Yup exactly. Which is why I blame Hextall so much. Even the goalie situation, not sure much else he could have done other than swapping out Desmith for another below average goalie albeit maybe a bit better

But what he’s done with the third and fourth lines has been just putrid on so many levels including not even having enough cap to bring up someone from the minors. And then, he gets bailed out with Kapanen and immediately brings in someone that fills almost zero need with a worse cap hit

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Postby mikey » Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:46 pm

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised that we paid the price to bring in that salary...Granlund isn't very dynamic, wrong side of 30, term, and wasn't really producing much more than Kapanen was...I understand that Nashville probably wasn't going to pay to make him go away...but I'm surprised that we had to give up "so much" (loosely) to get that contract...

Look at Sean Monahan - he was in the last year at $6.375 mil...tough year last year (2021-22) but he has similar attributes to Granlund, similar rep...

Monahan went WITH a 2025 first round pick late in the offseason for nothing...in season trading is different than preseason trading, sure, but hard to believe that those players (Monahan vs Granny) have almost opposite values...

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Postby MR25 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:55 pm

2 more years of Granlund though!

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Postby mikey » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:07 pm

Not if we pair him up with a 1st and send him to Arizona haha

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Postby meow » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:49 pm

I don’t have a lot of heartburn over the team has a whole. I think GMRH has done ok. Some pieces have underperformed, he tried to course correct without major surgery and they have been lateral steps.

I think we should take a big step back and just chill out and realize this core is past the point of Cups. Just enjoy the ride into the sunset. That’s where I’m at

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Postby mikey » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:53 pm

Well in advance of the trade deadline, I advocated for doing something similar to what Washington did...we did the opposite. When, historically, it's them that makes these moves...adding Martin Erat types while being a mid-pack playoff team...that franchise is very unsuccessful. Let's not be like them.

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Postby Gaucho » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:57 pm

I don’t have a lot of heartburn over the team has a whole. I think GMRH has done ok. Some pieces have underperformed, he tried to course correct without major surgery and they have been lateral steps.

I think we should take a big step back and just chill out and realize this core is past the point of Cups. Just enjoy the ride into the sunset. That’s where I’m at
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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:47 pm

hey, Jarry and CDS are tied in save percentage with .907 (good for 22nd in the league)

that’s real neato

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Postby mikey » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:50 pm

That'll happen when you sport an .863 save pct since (evidently) returning from injury...he was .921 before that.

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Postby Gaucho » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:09 pm



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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:05 pm


Yeah. This isn't great.

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Postby iamjs » Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:26 am

I'm still thinking the Pens make the playoffs, only because of the teams below them being equally as bad or worse.

Too far back unless they make a run, and I'm not sure if that would be enough:
DET - 68 GP, 69 points (not nice), 2-7-1 in their last 10 including losers of their last two.
OTT - 69 GP, 71 points, 0-5-1 in their last 6 although that probably guarantees a win tonight.
BUF - 69 GP, 72 points, 2-6-2 in their last 10.

Closer but too many games played:
WSH - 71 GP, 73 points, 4-5-1 in their last 10

Close but with equally bad goaltending.
FLA - 69 GP, 77 points (currently one less than the Pens.) Bob has a 3.00 GAA along with a .904 sv%. Current backup Alex Lyon has an .892 sv% and an almost 4.00 GAA.

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Postby Gaucho » Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:57 am

Yeah, it comes down to the Pens, Isles (ty), and Panthers.

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Postby faftorial » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 am

Yeah, it comes down to the Pens, Isles (ty), and Panthers.
Or who wants to lose to Boston in 4.

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Postby mikey » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:18 am

Two time Vezina winner Sergei Bobrovsky is 11-4-1 since the all-star break...2.56 GAA, .916 save pct. Florida has been on a roll...I wonder about their defense more than anything...they're the anti-Islanders...

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Postby Gaucho » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:18 am

I'd prefer to beat Carolina in 6.

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Postby mikey » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:19 am

I'd like to beat NJ in 7.

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Postby Gaucho » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:20 am

NJ we should take care off in 5.

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Postby Rx6687 » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:21 am

Exactly. I honestly question why all of these teams in the east loaded up at the deadline just so they can lose to Boston, because nobody is beating that team in a best of 7. I realize injuries and upsets happen all the time in the playoffs, but Boston has 2 goalies that can win a series, and nothing save an unprecedented amount of injuries to their top 2 lines will stop them, and I'm not sure even that would. They say the team that wins the President's Trophy never wins the Cup, but nobody is beating Boston this year.

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Postby Rx6687 » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:23 am

I'd like to beat NJ in 7.
This would be possible, I suppose, assuming our entire defensive corps gets healthy in time for the playoffs.

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Postby mikey » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:25 am

NJ we should take care off in 5.
Right, that's why I said 7 ;)

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Postby Gaucho » Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:27 am

NJ we should take care off in 5.
Right, that's why I said 7 ;)
you make a very good point

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