mikey's Thread of Penguin Randomness

[Dickie Dunn]

**** Subban.

[Morkle]

I would think if I'm trading Kessel, I'm trying to get younger players specifically defense to help round out the bottom six and depth overall.

I don't personally think I'd trade him for another project or potential issue.

[Troy Loney]

I think replacing Letang with someone that is capable of effectively taking those minutes would make me willing to move Kessel as part of that bargain. Assuming also that Letang brings other viable pieces back.

[Morkle]

I think trading Kessel for a player like Subban is unrealistic, expecting to trade both him and Letang seems super unrealistic.

[dodint]

Someone smarter than me (anyone, really) remind me if I should be upset the Pens never acquired Keith Yandle like I wanted. I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority of people that like him.

[Silentom]

Yes, yes you are.

[Gaucho]

Yes, yes you are.

[mikey]

Oh I'm a big Yandle fan...he was completed wasted in New York unfortunately...I don't think I'd take him now, but when he was available, I would have gone for it probably...I don't think we had the assets though...

[dodint]

Yeah, looked real quick after I posted that and saw he's 31. Yeeeeeeeahhhhhhhh, no, I'm good.

[Gaucho]

When was he available?

[Morkle]

a few years ago when the Rangers were making a push - they traded for him, and then he signed with FLA.

[dodint]

I was most interested when he shifted in 2014-2015. During the beginning of the Letang Malaise era.

[Jim]

I think trading Kessel for a player like Subban is unrealistic, expecting to trade both him and Letang seems super unrealistic.

For a team that is actually taking runs at the Cup... Trading a star at one position for a star at another position is far more realistic than trading a star for a few guys to round out the bottom six.

[Morkle]

I genuinely can't recall the last time that's happened and the last time that's been successful.

[mikey]

Ok...what about this...

Phil Kessel and Matt Hunwick to Calgary for T.J. Brodie, Sam Bennett, the rights to Brett Kulak and a 2019 conditional 3rd (based on Bennett's ice time)

For conversational purposes only. If I need to provide details on the three Flames players, I can.

[Morkle]

Wasn't Brodie at one point supposed to be the next big thing? I'd probably do that trade for the volume and the Pens do a good job of maximizing D potential.

[mikey]

"next big thing"...? No. But he's a guy who can play anywhere in the lineup really, and extremely mobile...our left side lacks a lot of mobility too...

[shmenguin]

I could see our media hating Subban. By and large he's a great guy, but he's a dirtbag on the ice.

there isn't any evidence he's a great guy. giving money to a thing doesn't make you a great guy. even if it's a lot of money. doing charitable acts doesn't make you a great guy. these players have business managers who tell them where and when to show up. he's not googling disadvantaged people and taking a road trip to go make them soup or anything.

he's a butthole. all the way. you can't act like him and also be a "great guy"...even if people with a biased relationship to him claim otherwise

...this isn't really a subban point. it's a people point.

[shmenguin]

i don't have a sentimental attachment to kessel. if the team thinks he's gonna burn out every year like he has in the past 2, then au revoir, and i will continue to wish you well.

if he wasn't hurt, he needs to actually mend some fences this year, and show that he's not gonna f*** over his playoffs because of fitness or his streak or whatever was going on.

[Faubert5]

I could see our media hating Subban. By and large he's a great guy, but he's a dirtbag on the ice.

there isn't any evidence he's a great guy. giving money to a thing doesn't make you a great guy. even if it's a lot of money. doing charitable acts doesn't make you a great guy. these players have business managers who tell them where and when to show up. he's not googling disadvantaged people and taking a road trip to go make them soup or anything.

he's a butthole. all the way. you can't act like him and also be a "great guy"...even if people with a biased relationship to him claim otherwise

...this isn't really a subban point. it's a people point.

I've never liked PK's game. He, like Ovechkin and some others get away with playing with complete disregard for their fellow NHLers' safety. He also didn't pledge to give $10 million of his own money but to raise a combination of his and others' money. Nice gesture to be sure but people keep saying it's coming out his pocket and it's not. He will probably end up giving more than anyone on this board does and maybe more than all of us put together but be honest about what he's doing.

He is still wearing a halo here but his play at times in the Winnipeg series was why they lost and against Colorado it was why they didn't have the cakewalk everyone expected. PK loves him some PK and fits in well with the chase hits and "splash" plays style that I think kept the Predators out of the Conference Final this year. PK is one guy I'd never want to see in a Pens uniform no matter what it did for our chances.

[Morkle]

"next big thing"...? No. But he's a guy who can play anywhere in the lineup really, and extremely mobile...our left side lacks a lot of mobility too...

https://www.nhlnumbers.com/2016/07/28/h ... -tj-brodie

[mikey]

nhlnumbers is still around and it has content? Weird. Anyway, I glanced at that...if it said, "came out of nowhere, became a top-4 d-man of high regard and is underrated league-wide" then it's right...if it's anything but that, it's not right...

[willeyeam]

nhlnumbers is still around and it has content? Weird. Anyway, I glanced at that...if it said, "came out of nowhere, became a top-4 d-man of high regard and is underrated league-wide" then it's right...if it's anything but that, it's not right...

It’s arguable which Flames youngster is considered the first pillar of the post-Iginla rebuild. Most probably consider it to be Sean Monahan or Johnny Gaudreau. Maybe some are waiting for Sam Bennett or Matthew Tkachuk to become the icon of a new era.

I contend it’s T.J. Brodie. The 26-year-old defender’s rise from obscurity was one of the first indications that the team might have a future beyond Iginla and the old guard. In fact, it was the Jay Bouwmeester trade in 2012 that gave us a hint of how good Brodie was going to be.

[Morkle]

You know what? Kessel for Saad. Figure out a way to do it.

/I just like Saad.

[mikey]

Ok, so yes. That seems fine.


EDIT: Ugh, the stupid puff piece. Not the trade proposed about Saad.