mikey's Thread of Penguin Randomness

[Gaucho]

How is Toronto so far up the list? Did they sign Jagr?

[MR25]

Isn't Mark Giordano like... 40?

[Gaucho]

Yeah, that must be it. Fairly old D.

[nocera]

What 20-man projected roster are they using?

[robbiestoupe]

I think we're better off being in that chart than the opposite chart:

[faftorial]

The team is built for the next 3 seasons so who cares if they are the oldest (not by much) team.

[King Colby]

Yes, I believe so. Unless he gets a two year deal in arbitration, of course...or, a two-year (or longer) deal as a settlement pre-arbitration...

That's where I was going with this. Could be useful to do a 2-year settlement

[willeyeam]

So what's it going to take to get Tkachuk

[faftorial]

So what's it going to take to get Tkachuk

Jake.

[willeyeam]

Sign me up

[mikey]

I think you probably have to look at the DeBrincat return: They got a top 10 pick, an early 2nd, and a 3rd.

DeBrincat is 24. Cap $6.4 mil; salary $9 mil. Expiring deal, but still an RFA. Regular 40 goal scorer.

Tkachuk is 24. RFA coming off of a $7 mil per deal. Last salary was $9 mil. Coming off of a 40+60=100 season. Plays with skill and snarl.

I don't know that Calgary is interested in liquidating him like Chicago did. I mean, Calgary is in on Kadri and all that...they tried to keep Gaudreau, I think they're trying to move the ball forward. Tough to gauge trading a player after a 100 point season, it doesn't happen much...

I mean, Hossa wasn't in the midst of a 100 point season and he was an expiring UFA...but he returned two first round picks and two 24, 25 year old middle six players...

[willeyeam]

Jake, Pettersson, two firsts and two seconds

[mikey]

Call me crazy, but I don't think I would do that...I don't even think that's close to a deal I would make either...

[NTP66]

Yeah, that’s insane to me,

[faftorial]

Zucker, Pettersson, two firsts and two seconds

[meow]

Jake, Pettersson, two firsts and two seconds

Are you dumb?

[King Colby]

The value is maybe Jake and a 2nd? But to what end for us?

[willeyeam]

Jake, Pettersson, two firsts and two seconds

Are you dumb?

We're getting the better, younger player with more years of control and also offloading Petterssons salary in that deal.

Also, yes. But unrelated I think

[willeyeam]

Anyway it ain't gonna happen. But if the value is actually just Jake and a 2nd then sign me up. But, we've gotta dump another salary I'd think

[meow]

M Tkachuk is better than Jake? Is that a consensus?

[mikey]

Like, that's what I struggle with...let's say that's not fair to ask, right? Because then we get into homers vs non-homers...I also don't get the sense there's a lot of folks here staying up and watching Calgary that often...

Let's ask it a different way. Let's say Tkachuk continues at his $9 mil a year salary. Is Tkachuk $3 million better than Guentzel? Let's start there because that's the 1 for 1 swap, that's the foundation. If you think that Tkachuk is $3 million better than Guentzel and that's all justified, then you have to add assets from our side...

I'm struggling to say that Tkachuk at $9 mil is better than Guentzel at $6 mil. So, when you're talking about four high picks going the other way...that's tough for me.

Obviously, Zucker and Pettersson doesn't move the needle positively in this arena.

[King Colby]

For me it's the fact that Jake is a UFA after 2 more seasons and you can sign Tkachuk for 8

[willeyeam]

Theoretically you could sign Jake for 8 more too. But his next contract could very well be 9mil as well

[mikey]

Tkachuk is a UFA in one more season...

[willeyeam]

I'm not making the trade unless we have an extension in place