mikey's Thread of Penguin Randomness

Postby **Jim** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:57 am

Ooh, fun! That was unexpected. I'm looking forward to see where he's at...
He was in WBS, now he's in Pittsburgh...

Postby **shoeshine boy** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:59 am

Ooh, fun! That was unexpected. I'm looking forward to see where he's at...
He was in WBS, now he's in Pittsburgh...

I hope not since the team's in NashVegas....

Postby **Pavel Bure** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:10 am

Who was the WBS guy that was the goal leader down there and had some fire when he came up here?

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:23 am

You're thinking of John Slaney.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:53 am

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Postby **Gaucho** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:36 am

The magic number is:

Postby **Morkle** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:36 am

... but when half of your points come at PP time, and you're a -19, he's pretty much been a specialist this year.

Are you talking about Malkin again...?

Like I said earlier, one you're gonna keep and the other you don't.

Kessel was another black hole on the top PP unit last night, save for him playing defense in OT.

Postby **Morkle** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:39 am

This isn't me wishing Kessel or hating Kessel away. I love the guy, I honestly hope he figures it out - but the Pens don't have time to manage two players making a ton of money not producing. So hopefully it's all a slump and it's just temporary to this year.

Hornqvist is on deck in that regard too.

Postby **Trip McNeely** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:42 am

This isn't me wishing Kessel or hating Kessel away. I love the guy, I honestly hope he figures it out - but the Pens don't have time to manage two players making a ton of money not producing. So hopefully it's all a slump and it's just temporary to this year.

Hornqvist is on deck in that regard too.

I know you don’t pay millions for intangibles, but at least Hornqvist has that in his favor. He’s also playing hurt in my mind

Kessel when he isn’t scoring brings nothing. Unless we win the cup, he’s getting traded in the offseason without a doubt

Postby **shmenguin** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:46 am

Horny is doing worse as the team has slowed its game down. Go figure that one out.

This is about 2 straight months of Kessel being a net negative. Short of a heroic playoff run, we should be cutting ties at the draft. But we need a top 6 wing in return. I don't know how that trade would work out. Maybe it can't. Unless there's someone else who needs a change of scenery.

Postby **Morkle** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:10 am

Horny is doing worse as the team has slowed its game down. Go figure that one out.

This is about 2 straight months of Kessel being a net negative. Short of a heroic playoff run, we should be cutting ties at the draft. But we need a top 6 wing in return. I don't know how that trade would work out. Maybe it can't. Unless there's someone else who needs a change of scenery.

Imo I'm kind of done with change of scenery players right now. I think you get picks for Kessel and revamp through FA.

(Don't know the FA market right now). I'd try and get Ferland though that's for sure if you could get him from CAR.

Postby **willeyeam** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:11 am

I think Horny is pacing himself for the playoffs

Postby **Morkle** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:40 am

I'd like to think so, and I hope Kessel is too considering he's a beast there. I'm just not a firm believer in the magical "switch" being able to be flicked on, immediately.

I'd also argue that hopefully time away from the game helps Malkin focus back in, but that's unlikely to happen, I think.

Postby **Gaucho** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:55 am

I thought Horny has been fine.

Postby **shmenguin** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:34 am

I thought Horny has been fine.

He’s playing like we expect wilson to play.

Postby **Gaucho** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:39 am

He's playing on a 3rd line with Bjugstad and Simon as well as on a broken PP. I think his production has been pretty much what you'd expect. He can play better, sure.

Postby **shmenguin** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:46 am

He's playing on a 3rd line with Bjugstad and Simon as well as on a broken PP. I think his production has been pretty much what you'd expect. He can play better, sure.

His price point means he has to figure it out. And Bjugstad is no slouch.

He's a headcase at this point. Trying too hard with every play. Yelling for a penalty when Rinne bats the puck out of play 16 minutes after the whistle. Pulling a Steve Downie routine by asking people to punch him in the face while he says thank you. It's been hard to watch, to be honest.

I'd like to see him back with Malkin once he returns. Maybe that helps. And anyone but Kessel on the other wing.

Postby **LeopardLetang** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:09 am

Feel bad for McCann going from the Crosby line to the 4th line i mean kessel line. Rust is more reliable though i believe

Man kessel is such dead weight. It's so hard to watch. I do believe in flipping the switch to a degree and i think he'll score more in the playoffs but it will be a real stunner if he lives up to his past performances

Malkin on the other hand brings so much more than kessel. It may still end in a minus but he looks like a star player until a bad decision or giving up. When malkin is bad it's embarrassing and obvious.

But even in his worst games he's behind the net in the defensive zone stealing pucks, taking the body and carrying it two lines. Sure then he drop passes at the blue line for a turnover and slashes the opponent trying to get it back and disconnects his controller but at least without the puck he's mostly effective

Kessel without the puck is well. We all know it and since we love him never say but his iron man streak well we all know why he has it and it ain't cause he's made of iron.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:29 am

This isn't me wishing Kessel or hating Kessel away. I love the guy, I honestly hope he figures it out - but the Pens don't have time to manage two players making a ton of money not producing. So hopefully it's all a slump and it's just temporary to this year.

Hornqvist is on deck in that regard too.
I know you don’t pay millions for intangibles, but at least Hornqvist has that in his favor. He’s also playing hurt in my mind

Kessel when he isn’t scoring brings nothing. Unless we win the cup, he’s getting traded in the offseason without a doubt

I say this not to disagree and not to intentionally say something obvious...you got to be real careful with a deal involving Kessel, he's not a nuclear weapon in this league but he is a veiled threat...if you trade Kessel for, say, Bjugstad and McCann, you pull back the curtain and show that you have the Australian Navy...you need skill to win, and I know he's not bringing it...but you can't continue down the path - again, regardless of circumstance - of trading skill* for *meow shrug* skill...? Andddd not draft much/any...

Sprong for Pettersson, Brass for Jugs, Kessel won't bring back a better player...you gotta be real careful there...you can be more clever by half real easily...

Postby **pens_ct** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:19 pm

This isn't me wishing Kessel or hating Kessel away. I love the guy, I honestly hope he figures it out - but the Pens don't have time to manage two players making a ton of money not producing. So hopefully it's all a slump and it's just temporary to this year.

Hornqvist is on deck in that regard too.
I know you don’t pay millions for intangibles, but at least Hornqvist has that in his favor. He’s also playing hurt in my mind

Kessel when he isn’t scoring brings nothing. Unless we win the cup, he’s getting traded in the offseason without a doubt
I say this not to disagree and not to intentionally say something obvious...you got to be real careful with a deal involving Kessel, he's not a nuclear weapon in this league but he is a veiled threat...if you trade Kessel for, say, Bjugstad and McCann, you pull back the curtain and show that you have the Australian Navy...you need skill to win, and I know he's not bringing it...but you can't continue down the path - again, regardless of circumstance - of trading skill* for *meow shrug* skill...? Andddd not draft much/any...

Sprong for Pettersson, Brass for Jugs, Kessel won't bring back a better player...you gotta be real careful there...you can be more clever by half real easily...

If you move Kessel I think you need another deal to bring a scorer back, you’re not going get a Kessel type player back in a trade for Phil. Maybe if Florida gets the Russian refugees from Columbus do you think they make a Maatta for Hoffman trade? Maybe Pittsburgh needs to add a little in that deal. That gives you the flexibility to move Phil for a high pick and a decent prospect. The Pens have a lot of money sunk into the blue line and need to clear some cap space in general.

Postby **shmenguin** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:29 pm

This isn't me wishing Kessel or hating Kessel away. I love the guy, I honestly hope he figures it out - but the Pens don't have time to manage two players making a ton of money not producing. So hopefully it's all a slump and it's just temporary to this year.

Hornqvist is on deck in that regard too.
I know you don’t pay millions for intangibles, but at least Hornqvist has that in his favor. He’s also playing hurt in my mind

Kessel when he isn’t scoring brings nothing. Unless we win the cup, he’s getting traded in the offseason without a doubt
I say this not to disagree and not to intentionally say something obvious...you got to be real careful with a deal involving Kessel, he's not a nuclear weapon in this league but he is a veiled threat...if you trade Kessel for, say, Bjugstad and McCann, you pull back the curtain and show that you have the Australian Navy...you need skill to win, and I know he's not bringing it...but you can't continue down the path - again, regardless of circumstance - of trading skill* for *meow shrug* skill...? Andddd not draft much/any...

Sprong for Pettersson, Brass for Jugs, Kessel won't bring back a better player...you gotta be real careful there...you can be more clever by half real easily...

I’m going to use this word because I know it gets through the swear filter but also because it’s accurate.

Dogshit.

That’s Kessel. And I’m not saying this lightly. He is exactly that. I understand and agree with you’re point. But this is a player that can’t be back next year. Even if the trade is for spare parts. Any of those jugs/Petterson/McCann players is more valuable to this team than Kessel has been for the last 2 months. And also more valuable than he was down the stretch last year.

He’s really truly terrible. You could put one of those Brian McCabe Toronto farewell clip packages together for him and it wouldn’t look out of place.

I’m not really being dramatic here. The only thing that works against this point is that he’s a headcase and maybe theres something funky going on with him that we don’t know. And if management does know, and has confidence it will pass, then I rescind my point. But if this is just standard Phil things, I will take an 80 cents on the dollar trade. It will not make me happy. But it would be the prudent move.

...of course he’ll now turn it around and make me look more foolish than usual.

Postby **shafnutz05** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:22 pm

Yeah, Kessel is a lovable oaf and it's been tough to see him become an empty shell of his former self. Maybe he needs a sports psychologist.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:45 pm

I get you too, but you can't keep making those trades...even if a player has a bad three months or a season...beating a goalie clean from 30 feet is a rare feat in this league...every team has four McCanns...

We all know that 20 nickels is worth a dollar bill...but no one wants 20 nickels...

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:10 pm

Since I am in a strange place where I don't belong...let's list asset needs that we would want back. You can be as vague or as specific as you want (i.e. mid round picks, an answer to Tom Wilson, a right-handed 2nd line playmaker, etc.)

I'll play all of the other GMs...