Sutter + 3rd to VAN for Nick Bonino, A.Clendening, 2nd.

Post by **NAN** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:22 am

Kicksave wrote:
NAN wrote:I like this trade.
Thanks for your well thought out and detailed opinion on this matter.

Post by **beachboy76** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:48 am

columbia wrote:I can't dig it up, but there was a GMJR quote from about a month ago where he said that didn't want to just lose Sutter to the FA market next Summer.

He mentioned it again after the trade. The trade made sense from so many angles. Many GMs out there (Benning included) completely overvalued Sutter, so Rutherford took advantage.

Sutter's analytics were, let's say, pretty bad. James Lepp, owner of Kikkor golf is a Canucks fan and he tweeted this out yesterday. Needless to say, he's not happy with the trade.

Lastly, Sutter was going to be looking for a raise that paid him far too much for what you get from him. He would have walked after this year and the Pens would have nothing to show for him. Instead they upgraded a pick, got a player to replace him that I believe is a better player, cheaper, more term, and a defensive prospect that was labelled Chicago's best D prospect when he was traded to Vancouver, as well as Vancouver's best D prospect when he arrived there.

Signing Fehr was icing on the cake.

Post by **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:51 am

I still can't believe Vancouver made this trade.

Much like the Hornqvist trade, we get the better player AND and an additional piece (As well as a better draft pick).

Post by **beachboy76** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:00 am

MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:I still can't believe Vancouver made this trade.

Much like the Hornqvist trade, we get the better player AND and an additional piece (As well as a better draft pick).

I still can't believe there are people out there that are butt hurt we traded Sutter.

Post by **Factorial** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:01 am

Sutter: Height: 6' 3" Weight: 190 lb.

Post by **columbia** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:03 am

Factorial wrote:Sutter: Height: 6' 3" Weight: 190 lb.

Interesting. I figured he was 5' 10".

Post by **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:07 am

beachboy76 wrote:
MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:I still can't believe Vancouver made this trade.

Much like the Hornqvist trade, we get the better player AND and an additional piece (As well as a better draft pick).
I still can't believe there are people out there that are butt hurt we traded Sutter.

are there?

even the Sutter fans (mikey, me, etc.) are applauding this trade

Post by **beachboy76** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:12 am

MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:
beachboy76 wrote:
MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:I still can't believe Vancouver made this trade.

Much like the Hornqvist trade, we get the better player AND and an additional piece (As well as a better draft pick).
I still can't believe there are people out there that are butt hurt we traded Sutter.
are there?

even the Sutter fans (mikey, me, etc.) are applauding this trade

Believe it, I've seen people complaining about the trade on other sites.

Post by **Gaucho** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:18 am

Bah, other sites ...

Post by **mikey** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:15 pm

Anyone else slightly disappointed that that user's name isn't BeechBoy16...?

Post by **beachboy76** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:24 pm

mikey wrote:Anyone else slightly disappointed that that user's name isn't BeechBoy16...?

I put him up there with Endicott as my least liked Penguins players.

Sorry to disappoint.

Post by **mikey** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:36 pm

Post by **King Colby** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:10 pm

I love sutter, but theres literally no downside to this trade. You get bonino who is probably a net wash, and fehr who is a desperately needed player.

Now, im sure in 6 months one or both of them will be the new whipping boy because they only are on pace for 29 points and their shots +/- is too low or some ****, but at least that wont be for another 6 months.

Post by **dodint** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:23 pm

PFiDC wrote:Source of the post Give Bennett a real shot in the top 6.

Post by **Silentom** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:49 pm

I like Bennett, but I just don't think he has it anymore. I hope he proves me wrong this year, but I have zero expectations of him, for now. I doubt he sees top six time.

Post by **large garlic** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:55 pm

Yeah, at this point, I'll be pleasantly surprised if Bennett sticks as a useful NHL player in any capacity, let alone a top-6 winger.

Post by **Tico Rick** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:26 pm

Needless to say, this is going to be a pivotal year in Bennett's career.

Post by **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:27 pm

it's funny that he finally had a semi-sustained stretch of being healthy and all that did was show that he isn't very good at hockey

Post by **Dan H** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:46 pm

You guys realize that advanced stats based upon regular season games are a useful tool, but not the end-all-be-all determination of a player's value, right? I think the combination of moves makes sense for the Penguins to do, so I'm happy with yesterday's events. But I'm not convinced that Bonino is a vastly superior player than Sutter. Let's see how he does against the Rangers in the playoffs and then I'll tell you which player is superior.

Post by **Avyran** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:59 pm

Dan H wrote:You guys realize that advanced stats based upon regular season games are a useful tool, but not the end-all-be-all determination of a player's value, right? I think the combination of moves makes sense for the Penguins to do, so I'm happy with yesterday's events. But I'm not convinced that Bonino is a vastly superior player than Sutter. Let's see how he does against the Rangers in the playoffs and then I'll tell you which player is superior.

He's comparable, cheaper, and younger. If the Pens have to rely on Bonino (like they did Sutter) to win in the playoffs, they've already lost.

Post by **mikey** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:59 pm

Sutter is better defensively, but not by a massive margin. Bonino is definitely more than competent in that regard. Bonino has a better skill set. From a non-shots on goal perspective, it passes the sniff test...and that's without counting Clendening, who sucks...

Post by **Gaucho** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:07 pm

Is he really that bad?

Post by **columbia** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:08 pm

Gaucho wrote:Is he really that bad?

It would make the trade seem more rational.

Post by **mikey** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:21 pm

I found some notes that I had on Nick Bonino from four years ago...likely in the midst of his 26-game pointless season...

Nick Bonino (C) - Savvy utility man that is in the league for his mental capabilities and not his physical attributes. Primarily, his lack of explosive skating holds him back tremendously from being a much more respected player. His anticipation skills make up for his lack of speed and overall physicality. He has decent hands and a fine - but not exquisite - shot. He's improved his faceoffs and defensive ability to the point that he can be fairly useful anywhere in the lineup, but his long-term effectiveness in any one role is still up in the air. Has a quick stick, something of a pickpocket.

Career: Utility player that is still carving out a niche, like a more talented version of Dustin Jeffrey.

Clendening notes, if I matched the number right, are from the 2012 WJCs and I took a shot at his heavy-footed skating and lackadasical defensive play. Frequent pinching and good shot.

All in all, nothing much of note...

Post by **mikey** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:24 pm

Gaucho wrote:Is he really that bad?

I don't think he's quite NHL level. He'll be a really good AHLer for us. He's just not quite good enough to justify his flaws...maybe like a Matt Irwin type out in San Jose...yeah, he can bring some offense at the NHL level, but is it enough to off-set his warts...the answer is likely no...especially given how many 5/6/7/8 d-men we have stockpiled...my guess is that he gets claimed in the expansion draft goes on waivers and plays in the AHL and since none of our d-men ever get hurt, we'll never see him again...