So the Offensive Lines Will Be???

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:50 pm

Kevin Porter is a plug that can fill either role. We'll see what happens, there's lots of time to find or acquire a fourth line player in this offseason certainly...

Postby **thehockeyguru** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:49 am

Malkin and hornqvist on the ice together isn't any less of a disaster than it was a day ago. Hope we don't see that out of the gate.

Where did this come from? While Malkin hasnt played with Hornqvist for the time that Sid has, Hornqvist had put up better goal numbers with Malkin.

Patric Hornqvist Goals For per 60
With Crosby 3.61
With Malkin 4.05

Postby **cadams** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:54 am

Not sure why we are discussing moving Hornqvist or Kessel in their off wing. One of them is playing with Malkin. End of discussion.

Postby **shmenguin** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:01 am

Kessel please

...though on paper that doesn't make total sense. Kessel and Sid can jet up the ice while malkin and horny are more compatible pace-wise. But they looked brutal together last year. Apparently there are stats that refute that. But the eyeball test was bad.

Postby **cadams** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:43 am

Kessel please

...though on paper that doesn't make total sense. Kessel and Sid can jet up the ice while malkin and horny are more compatible pace-wise. But they looked brutal together last year. Apparently there are stats that refute that. But the eyeball test was bad.

We're they both healthy? Who was on the LW? That matters. I'd give it a shot in camp just because Perron-Sid-Kessel would be amazing.

Postby **Jim** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:27 pm

Malkin and hornqvist on the ice together isn't any less of a disaster than it was a day ago. Hope we don't see that out of the gate.
Where did this come from? While Malkin hasnt played with Hornqvist for the time that Sid has, Hornqvist had put up better goal numbers with Malkin.

Patric Hornqvist Goals For per 60
With Crosby 3.61
With Malkin 4.05

Taking that as true I find it amazing. Hornqvist and Malkin looked like lost sheep out there, a train wreck... odd.

Postby **tfrizz** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:48 am

Malkin and hornqvist on the ice together isn't any less of a disaster than it was a day ago. Hope we don't see that out of the gate.
Where did this come from? While Malkin hasnt played with Hornqvist for the time that Sid has, Hornqvist had put up better goal numbers with Malkin.

Patric Hornqvist Goals For per 60
With Crosby 3.61
With Malkin 4.05
Taking that as true I find it amazing. Hornqvist and Malkin looked like lost sheep out there, a train wreck... odd.

I find it amazing, too. Looking over Hornqvist's scoring log for the 2014-15 season, he and Crosby were involved in 27 goals last season; he and Malkin were involved in 15 goals last season; and all three were involved in just 3 goals. So while GF/60 tells one story, the eye test AND point production tell a different one. Hornqvist, himself, was twice as productive with Crosby as he was with Malkin.

Postby **willeyeam** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:11 am

Malkin and hornqvist on the ice together isn't any less of a disaster than it was a day ago. Hope we don't see that out of the gate.
Where did this come from? While Malkin hasnt played with Hornqvist for the time that Sid has, Hornqvist had put up better goal numbers with Malkin.

Patric Hornqvist Goals For per 60
With Crosby 3.61
With Malkin 4.05
Taking that as true I find it amazing. Hornqvist and Malkin looked like lost sheep out there, a train wreck... odd.
I find it amazing, too. Looking over Hornqvist's scoring log for the 2014-15 season, he and Crosby were involved in 27 goals last season; he and Malkin were involved in 15 goals last season; and all three were involved in just 3 goals. So while GF/60 tells one story, the eye test AND point production tell a different one. Hornqvist, himself, was twice as productive with Crosby as he was with Malkin.

But he played probably twice as much with Sid, right?

Postby **MR25** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:49 am

Is that counting or not counting powerplay goals/stats?

Postby **tfrizz** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:59 pm

Is that counting or not counting powerplay goals/stats?

That's all goals. Hornqvist + Crosby combined for 18 goals at even strength while Hornqvist + Malkin combined for only 7. All goals that involved the three of them came on the PP.

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:01 pm

that doesn't seem like a ridiculous stat. We went with a stretch of a billion games with only one goal per and Horny played with Sid that entire time.

Postby **tfrizz** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:08 pm

Malkin and hornqvist on the ice together isn't any less of a disaster than it was a day ago. Hope we don't see that out of the gate.
Where did this come from? While Malkin hasnt played with Hornqvist for the time that Sid has, Hornqvist had put up better goal numbers with Malkin.

Patric Hornqvist Goals For per 60
With Crosby 3.61
With Malkin 4.05
Taking that as true I find it amazing. Hornqvist and Malkin looked like lost sheep out there, a train wreck... odd.
I find it amazing, too. Looking over Hornqvist's scoring log for the 2014-15 season, he and Crosby were involved in 27 goals last season; he and Malkin were involved in 15 goals last season; and all three were involved in just 3 goals. So while GF/60 tells one story, the eye test AND point production tell a different one. Hornqvist, himself, was twice as productive with Crosby as he was with Malkin.
But he played probably twice as much with Sid, right?

Here's a 5-on-5 comparison...

w/ Crosby - 18 points, 531:00 TOI, 2.03 points/60min
w/ Malkin - 7 points, 232:23 TOI, 1.81 points/60min

So at an individual level Hornqvist is more productive with Crosby than Malkin, but the line (as a whole) is more productive when he's with Malkin than Crosby.

Postby **Jim** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:09 pm

I guess it was pure eye test for me...

I also hope that they put Kessel with Malkin so that the Malkinmites or Malkintonians, or whatever they are, stop crying about his wingers.

Postby **meecrofilm** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:51 pm

I just hope they don't waste Perron with Sutter.

Postby **King Colby** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:33 pm

Kessel please

...though on paper that doesn't make total sense. Kessel and Sid can jet up the ice while malkin and horny are more compatible pace-wise. But they looked brutal together last year. Apparently there are stats that refute that. But the eyeball test was bad.

They likely had a scrub like Comeau or Spaling on the left wing. That line needs a skill guy on the LW. I'd actually think Perron would be an even better fit there. And Crosby and Kessel have enough skill - no need for a Perron with them.

I'd prefer Dupuis-Crosby-Kessel, Perron-Malkin-Hornqvist

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:45 pm

Any chance we extend Perron before the season starts? His looming UFA status makes me nervous.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:48 pm

I think he's probably thinking he can really increase his value this season, so I doubt it.

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:49 pm

That would suck.

Postby **Avyran** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:55 pm

Eh, an increase in value means a successful season. I hope he plays himself out of the Pens' ability to pay him.

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:02 pm

If we lose him after this season, I'd consider investing a 1st rounder in him a waste.

Postby **Pavement** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:04 pm

If we lose him after this season, I'd consider investing a 1st rounder in him a waste.

Yip, I hope he is signed and has a great season.

Postby **Silentom** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:58 am

Fresh from el gippy... thought it was quite humorous -

Kunitz Crosby Dupuis
Plotnikov Malkin Bennett
Perron Sutter Kessel
Porter Mouillierat Hornqvist

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:00 am

Three first lines! Love it! #juggernaut

Postby **columbia** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:03 am

Kessel would have 0 goals on Sutter's line.

Postby **Kicksave** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:05 am

Is Sutter that much worse than Bozak?